Thanks to some of our bickering

To be fair, and I have nothing against the man. But I wouldn't send too much praise MATT's way because they don't have much choice but to listen if they want people to carry on using IPB. Especially with XenForo around now that's been geared from the start to be SEO friendly.

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That's like saying don't praise Kier for taking a stand and continuing to do what he loves. Any accomplishment deserves praise. And IP.Board is quite the accomplishment for Matt, as well as the rest of the development team, considering how far it's come in the last ten years.

Think he means praise for this decision, when it has taken this long to take steps to rectify the issues customers have raised in the past. When vB was the only main competition for paid forum software, there wasn't much risk of losing customers to them, but XF offers a better user experience and flow, and it seems many people have been leaving IPB (Probably not enough to hurt them overall, but its always best to pay attention to any amount of discontent).

The arrival of XF was the best IPS could hope for. Keeps them on their high level.

IMHO it's more difficult for IPS to change their software in such fundamental functions like SEO because of their many official addons. So they need a lot more time to put those changes in their project planning and are not that flexible than XF is atm. I could imagine that their plans are two major point releases ahead (board and apps). But when XF will have more functionality(it will have, sorry to spoil the fun for the no-bloat-faction ) and official addons in the future they will run into a similar problem, I'm sure.

I'm actually part of the no bloat faction (for the most part), but a lot of that is because features tend to be underdone in both vBulletin and IPB.

I haven't found much of an issue with features that I find completely lacking of functionality on XenForo yet.

That's not really what I meant Ryan. I do read what MATT says in Twitter at times, I follow him and he seems like a really nice guy to me (seriously). My comments was not meant to be disrespectful towards him, I have no reason to be and have nothing against the man what-so-ever. Neither do I know him from Adam.

I think any developer can afford to by pass suggestions when there is no real competition (i'm not saying Matt wasn't listening) but i think it's safe to say that developers can allocate priorities since at the time vbulletin4 was the only competition and we know that is no competion. Since you brought kier into it I think that was an unfair comparison, in that, because xenforo is maturing nicely into something really quite special the thought of big boards going to xenforo will strike fear into the hearts of it's competitors. Once the likes of digitalpoint and Ign and other major boards migrate over I can actually see many more customers migrating and as more features are refined, developed at the standard they are at I think it is a concern to any IPB developer. Infact, trust me ryan I know it is.

Nothing against you guys. I just don't like the software your building which is my own personal opinion.

Ps. I'm not saying xenforo is perfect either.

Well, it's kind of bad that it took this long to be seriously looked at. All the IPS staff were quite ignorant in the past and continued to be ignorant to the SEO threads when they popped up even when Matt was trying to fix it. SEO in IPB is so shitty. Don't ask me the specifics, but my stats do not lie, what so ever. I've helped Matt with a few things that I think would help the software and he has come up with a few other things that sound great so it sounds like things are moving in the right direction. But it's too late IMO...at least for me. Plus the fact I only really need the forums and not all the rest of that fluff that is passed as an "app". I can get into my rant about that but I won't. I'm just picking the software that suits me better, my community better, and the one that I think will be the better performer for my site.

So does that mean you plan on having Se7enSins v3 or v4? I quite like your new skin on IPB 3.2 :'(.

His style would be simple to recreate in XF.

Actually we are getting a new design based on feedback as well as seeing what people use/don't use. v5 (what we are using) was designed with a few elements that no forums have ever seen or used before. We thought our users would love it and make being on the site much easier. It turns out, it was just the opposite. So, I went back to the drawing board and gave very specific instructions to the designer how I want it so we will actually have a new design when we move over.

No ETA as of right now though the design is 95% done.

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Too little and too late. I was trying to make them see my plummeting stats eleven months ago and was ignored. Admitting there might be some problems 10 months after the fact just isn't good enough for me. I would love to be able to see that admission, but my inactive licenses have left me on the outside, looking in. I have to chuckle at that policy, as I still have access to the vB forums, even though my licenses long-since expired over there. Children must have their games, I suppose. Just another nail in IPS' coffin, so far as I'm concerned. If renewing a license is what it costs to read their denials and watch them locking/removing topics, I'll keep my money in my own pocket, thank you very much.

I would really have liked to have been able to say IP.Board had some serious issues, but they stepped in, stepped up and made things right. Instead, they chose to stick their heads in the sand for the best part of a year, before admitting they might have made some mistakes.

FYI: http://community.invisionpower.com/blog/1174/entry-7066-ipboard-33-dev-update-seo-improvements/

I imagine a lot of IPB admins are going to start seeing some positive results from some of that. It shows Matt has been listening to at least some of what people had to say. But, as I said in post #33, it's too little and too late.

Ryan, you might want to put a bug in Matt's ear about the sitemap capabilities in IP.SEO. He really needs to go back and look at Stoo's sitemap generator and give IP.SEO some TLC.

But it is good to see he's at least got his face pointed in the right direction again. Had I not already found the beauty of XenForo's features and functions, I almost would have been tempted to consider renewing my licenses to give 3.3 a try. Almost.

Couldn't help but to come back to adminextra after reading the announcement about IPB 3.3 and their so called "Improvements" to SEO which gave me a good laugh. These are the same guys who LIED and CHEATED people out of their hard earned money with false claims about their SEO. I can't help but to find it ironic that after all of this time, the false information spread about me wherever i posted about their BS SEO claims and the legal threats sent to me by the owners of IPB, they have finally rescinded and are backhandedly admitting (or not) their poor poor SEO faults. It's also so sad to see guys like se7ensins fall into the same hole as many others such as myself have fallen into.

Since last posting on adminextra, mostly due to the fact that none of the IPB complaint threads ever stay open for long (I wonder why!), I gave up on my website and handed it over to someone else for free. Since that time, the site not only never recovered from the SEO blow it took from converting from phpBB, essentially a non SEO optimized forum software but also the site lost yet another google pagerank since i handed over ownership less than six months ago. My phpBB to IPB conversion went from a pagerank of 4 to now a pagerank of 2 in roughly over one year of ruining running IPB.

IPB have never taken me up on any of the open challenges to prove me wrong in a fair, public manner. Instead, they focused on running an aggressive campaign of disinformation and censorship against me. They have also done exactly the same thing to the new owner of the site. Preventing him from posting on the official IPB forums, preventing him from changing user details and even preventing him from downloading products he has legally purchased. It took him nearly one week just to have the ability to download IP.Content after purchase and they never gave him any explanation as to why and never pro-rated his license to reflect the extra days he had to wait.

Just out of curiosity, i ran a search on the IPB forums today for the term "SEO" this is a term i would regularly use to find the latest SEO threads (a.k.a complaints). To my surprise, no threads using those terms appear! It seems as if that term has been filtered through their search and/or all of the complaint threads have been moved or removed. That in itself should give people a real indication as the kind of mass coverup we have here with IPB.

As I have mentioned here before, I have had many websites. Nearly all of them have been very successful. My next forum will use vbulletin and VBSEO again. Xenforo's fate is still uncertain and i would honestly rather just worry about questionable site security than to worry about potential visitors never finding my site due to poor SEO.

If you read up a lot of the court documents, you'll see that there is absolutely no evidence to support the claims. The only risk is that IB has a (miniscule) chance of keeping XenForo in court for a long enough period where they'll have run out of means to support the business.

I think everyone knows that this is a frivolous lawsuit. Still, the courts these days are complete mess. You never know whats actually going to happen sometimes until everything is done. I actually know of people that purchased Xenforo licenses and have yet to use them out of fear that their forums will not see the kind of support they need if XF lose their court cases.