Lack of development?

I posted a thread asking a question: http://xenforo.com/community/threads/are-we-dead.29834/#post-342406

I look at one forum: The news forum. I see no news there, yet two users bash me head over heels. Whats wrong with Kier? A family problem? I can accept something like that, but for us non-active forum users we know nothing is going on.

Then they lock my topic :/

I still don't know what is going on.

Did you see the news post about XF 1.2 development?

Who says anything is wrong with Kier? The man has an opportunity to get some peace and quiet and everyone thinks something has to be wrong. I guess I just don't get this passionate desire to know what Kier's doing, every moment of every day.

If you spend time looking about the XenForo company forums, it's pretty evident others have been asking the same questions and making the same allusions you were making. And, if you look, you will see Mike has assured everyone development continues on XenForo, so why can't people just accept that and move on?

My XenForo site is running great. My users are all happy with it. So why should I be sitting on the edge of my chair, tapping my fingers and feet, nervously trying to anticipate when 1.2 is going to be released? How about your XenForo sites, are they somehow broken down and seriously in need of updating?

Would you mind linking it for those of us that should have gone to Specsavers

Personally I'm happy with the pace of product development. Most of what's not already covered in the core product is available from add-ons. I would like to see a well supported CMS but I expect that will come from an external developer at some point. I'm not really concerned with what may or may not be going on in the background, we all need a break from work from time to time.

I think the last official post about 1.2.0 was this one...

http://xenforo.com/community/threads/development-update.25726/#post-311302

A stock mobile style and stock Stop Forum Spam features? Yes, please!

Thanks

A stock mobile style is something I could really use.

As I've stated in the past. It's none of your business.

Why everyone thinks they have the right to know what the poor man is doing every minute of the day is beyond me. And the BS that continues to get locked on the forums would be a PRIME reason I'd stay away from them.

I don't mind what the problem is with who or anything. Though for someone who just checks in their every once in awhile and doesn't scour the forums I see no information. A month in internet time? It just isn't good in my eyes for business. Its like when you see a construction at a University, you know money is there expanding it.

I see no growth just browsing around. It scares me. I just simply asked for status updates. I'm not the guys neighbor. I don't know whats going on, nor is it my business. I do know its not proper business to keep clients guessing in the dark.

For those who may not visit the XF forums, some posts of note...

Q: Where is Kier?
A: http://xenforo.com/community/threads/oh-kier.27623/page-5#post-337178
A: http://xenforo.com/community/threads/person-selling-3-xf-licences.29324/page-5#post-338810

Q: Has development stalled?
http://xenforo.com/community/threads/person-selling-3-xf-licences.29324/page-2#post-338279

Would you prefer to waste the developers time by having to reassure everyone 3 times a week or would you prefer their development efforts to be of the highest quality ? The guy also deserves time off , he got the product to an established standard extremely quickly , provided some out standing support and now the product is working well with no major issues there is no need to keep letting people know when the next release is. Personally i would rather not see updates every month. Its a pain in the arse to keep updating everything.

Maybe he's spending time with his family, maybe he just wants a little break . Honestly who really cares what he's doing, Id rather worry about whats going on in my own life over someone elses whom ive never met and have no interest in stalking

You know, I certainly don't want to come off sounding confrontational over this, but exactly who is doing all this guessing in the dark? I'm certainly not guessing in the dark. Azhria, are you guessing in the dark? Kev, how about you, are you guessing in the dark? Bike, are you doing any guessing in the dark?

Again, Mike assured everyone that they are still plugging away on the project and that was on 14 March 2012. Which clearly is not a month in any time.

IBotPeaches, how many XenForo licenses do you own, just out of simple curiosity?

Not that it really has any relevance but i would assume 1 since his status update on xenforo.com on Feb 7th was :

I currently have 2 xenforo and 8 vbulletin , having to update those 8 every 3 - 5 weeks is a nightmare, I dont hover around the vbulletin forums pleading for updates because its a waste of the best part of a day every update. Xenforo works, it does what its suppose to do. When i get an email there is an update it will get done, I see no point in begging for information .

What would you like to see ? A status update from the development team with things like :

" i have just made a CSS sprite for the new mobile theme " Day 1
" i have just created a new PHP file for something secret" Day 2
" oops , forgot to wash my hands after going to the toilet....ah well" Day 3
"might go to the shops today" Day 4

Im sure Keir would be happy to make an automated bot which spouts out random stuff to keep people amused.

Search. It's amazing on how that little function works in a forum. You may wish to avail yourself of this feature and find the posts that others have so graciously provided links to. By what right do you claim the need to know someone's actions, whereabouts, work habits, etc.?

You're right. It's none of your business. Yet you have a funny way of showing that it's not your business. Clients don't need to know what someone is doing. Clients need to concern themselves with their own issues, and pay attention to release announcements.

If I were Kier, I wouldn't post a single thing on the forums other than stuff for official business. And it's users like you that would cause something like this. The man has a life and he has the right to privacy. Imagine the howls of outrage if the shoe was on the other foot and the users were continuously pestered about what they were doing.

I think some people spended their money on wrong thing. They bought software product when it was E! channel subscription they really wanted.

Understand that you are paying for software product. A forum software to add. Its not made to give you entertaiment, but to allow you to host discussions on your own place in the web. Thats not type of thing that saws lots of action. Once core platform is developed, there is little action in software itself minus fixing bugs or implementing new features. Minus those situations when update is ready or near ready, or when they look back to boast about how whole thing prospers, there is nothing to write about.

...and its good practice to dont talk about something until its pretty much ready to show to world, so most of stuff stays inside dev-team forever. Sure, you may want to know about them experimenting with some new feature, but what if they decide to drop it? Or turn it upside down before release? No doubt there will be whining that they "fail to deliver promised improvements" or that "new stuff is crap, do it like your blog post from 6 months ago showed it".

If you looking for action, Blizzard is nearing to release of Diablo 3. I am sure their forums are sinking in drama.

Not so much D3, but you should see the entitlement whine over the MoP beta.

Everything was just fine until they let 200,000 of those whiners on to the server

personally, I love the way IPB handles things and let's their customers know what is up and it lets us know that we are not forgotten or being abandoned. Not saying we have been abandoned but if there are so many complaints(and if you pay as much money as you do for Xenforo you have the right to complain) then perhaps in the future a happy medium should be reached.

I think the point iBot is trying to make is, he'd just like to know what to expect with 1.2. As I would as well. This could keep me from purchasing some of the paid mods if I know it's going to be done more professional than some of the mods (I would trust core xf code over a plugin).

Obviously there is some insider information. Brogan and I would assume Jake knows what is going on with development. Why not let them make an update about 1.2? They aren't coding 1.2 from my understanding. So that means the devs don't have to take their time out to update the community and then the community can have a better sense as to what is going on with the product.

I don't see why people are on their high horses about such a simple question and make accusations on the matter... I agree, the product works. But I'll also say, I'd like to know what the upcoming features are so I know whether to hold off on buying a paid mod, buy a mod, or paying someone to make a custom mod. For me, it's money management which I would think would concern most everyone here.

very well said. I think it is ridiculous the way people are being talked to simply because it "annoys" them to be asked what is going on with the development of 1.2

I was on Xenforo forums and i found it quite unprofessional to allow people to call paying customers "Whining idiots" for voicing annoyance at a lack of knowledge.