DMCA Content Protection

Discussion in 'Security & Legal Issues' started by Azhria Lilu, Jan 14, 2012.

  1. Angelic

    Azhria Lilu Barry & Brad Bodyswapping?

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    http://www.dmca.com/Protection.aspx

    I've just been surfing around clicking random links that caught my eye (as you do :D) and I found myself on the DMCA site.

    They offer a free DMCA protection badge, which entitles the person who displays it to one free DMCA takedown notice a year, or you can purchase a Pro account which offers a bit more.

    Does anyone use it (either free or Pro). What do you think of it? I'm wondering if having a badge on your site is actually as much of a deterrent as the website claims.
  2. Whistles

    Evil Grin A legend in his own mind

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    I just ran their check to see if anyone was copying content from my forum and it came back with 4 major forums. It seems thay all had following text on their sites "Forum Contains New Posts: Forum Contains No New Posts: Forum is Closed for Posting". Now I gotta ask myself is that worth $10 a month?

    The photo copyright idea looks good though in fairness. That might be worth a bit of investigation.
  3. Angelic

    Azhria Lilu Barry & Brad Bodyswapping?

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    :giggle: oh dear!

    I haven't looked too deeply into the page as yet. Need the kids in bed before I can concentrate :D
  4. Whistles

    Evil Grin A legend in his own mind

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    My interest is that I have a free image hosting site that we encourage our posters to use. That could generate plenty of free publicity for me if content was copied. I don't really care if they copy stuff as long as somne traffice comes back to me from it.
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    I may just look into this to cover myself my site. Need to research further to make sure it will work for me. Good catch.
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    Brad /dev/null

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    No, I refuse to support anything to do with the DMCA much less give them more money to be the copyright police.

    When they start putting things in the public domain again and reduce the number of years until copyright expire I'll warm up to the idea of copyrights again. As of now, I see them begin abused so much by the big fish that the original purpose of them is no longer possible making the idea of a copyright useless. We'd be better off in a system without copyrights, or a system that gives you nothing more than "credit" for the original work.

    The idea that movies made in the 1930s will still be under copyright when I die (Disney) boggles my mind. Those things should have fallen into the public domain years ago. Instead they just keep extending the number of years until the copyright expires, they might as well say "copyrighted by Disney; until the end of time".
  7. Innocent

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    Wait 'til Lamar Smith gets his grubby paws on you, Brad. He'll have you singing a different tune. ;)
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    Brad /dev/null

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    Well, here is my position.

    First off, I've paid in. I may be young but I've gone through;

    Beta -> VHS -> Laserdisc -> DVD (never mind the bad decision on beta/LD...moving on), oh and I did go to the cinema up until 2002 or so.
    Albums and Tapes -> CD -> mp3 (napster ;)) -> FLAC/whatever audio format they're selling this month on itunes (hint: I don't really have an itunes account ;)).
    Video games: 8-bit - current gen, with several gaming PCs and quarters spent on pin-ball and arcade games in between.
    Bunny ears -> c-band dish -> primestar DBS -> Directv DBS
    Dial-up -> ISDN -> Cable line
    POTS -> Cell phone -> Smart phone and VoIP

    Even excluding the fact that I've paid two-four times for the same content, just "enhanced" or with "added content" or any other tag line they reel you in on I've kicked in a lot, millions, at the very least. That's just me, how much money have you wasted on their crap?

    Now don't get me wrong. I don't consider the work of say, Jimi Hendrix to be "crap". But the man is dead, his work is done, and it shouldn't cost an entry fee for the ears of a new generation to hear it. I didn't have a problem with paying a fee for having Jimi around on disc to play for myself or company. What I do have a problem with, is the fact that if more than say 3 people hear the stereo, or I'm paying it in a public place, it can be considered a "public performance" and whomever holds the copyrights to Jimi's work can sue me for everything I own, and probably everyone within earshot of the stereo.

    We pay $135 a month for TV in my home, yes, you read that right. $135 for TV and I'm sitting here with $10 in my pocket and living on frozen food. At any rate, we pay that fee mainly to watch sports and other live events, and the odd movie on HBO. Again, I'm kicking in, and if I'm paying for the right to see a movie that HBO is going to run 20 times this month anyway I don't see the difference between watching said movie on that little box connected to my TV or my PC connected to the same TV. What's the difference if its coming from a .mkv file on a local HDD or begin beamed into my backyard from space? Its the same damn movie, I paid for it...

    Another thing, in my country us tax payers paid for all these lines they have running around. We subsidized the build out of these networks, and handed control of them to private corporations that were supposed to return control of them to the people after an agreed upon number of years. That never happened, and it never will. Its not just the cables, we used to own the air too, until we let the government slice it up and sell of the rights to use it to the highest bidder.

    So excuse me if I figured out your little key to decode the single you're beaming into my backyard (and head, thanks for the possible cancer risk) and see it without paying the entry fee. I was just having fun. :p

    I suppose the fact that I was raised in a home with pirated satellite TV isn't helping my case? I dunno, I just never saw the point in it. If there was an option between free and $20 I typically chose free. I mean, you can have a movie and a small box of candy for maybe $20 (I don't even know anymore) or you can have two pizzas, and a 6-pack, and the movie. I could even do the last bit legally if I'm willing to wait a few months (thank you redbox) and pony up the extra 2 bucks, and I'm not THAT cheap sooo...

    Its not that I feel like I can free load...it's just. I was raised and had the fact drilled into me that artiest do their work "for the art", or "for the love" and all that other bullshit. But the fact is its for the money now. All I'm saying, is we stop kicking in massive amounts of money. They'll figure out how to eat just like the rest of us, and if you can't make it on your "art" get a real job and regulate the art to a hobby like the rest of us. This is coming from a man that has a friend that left everything behind to go out to Nashville and "make it", and he's making it only because he worked hard. If he becomes some rich country singer, good for him, but I don't expect him to ever come up to me and DEMAND that I pay to listen to what comes out of his mouth. We fed the boy for every weekend for two years, never mind the free beer, as I said before I've kicked in.

    This isn't really about money anyway, its about people and their culture. That's basically what we've done, commercialized our culture. Instead of telling stories and singing songs around a camp fire we pay to hear or see a recording or something, or for the right to have fun in some virtual area. Don't even get me started on "DLC"...god I hate DLC so much. Hey guys, here is a bright idea! Lets sell a game for $60, but not just any game, lets make a sequel to a really awesome game from somebodies childhood...now stay with me here! Lets put the bulk of the content in a store, sell it for $10 a pop, release 5 new things every week, and piss off the entire user base!

    I HATE DLC.....

    You know what, this has riled me up. I won't let this ruin my night. I have a pin-ball tournament to dominate next weekend. :)

    You want to see the real down side to our current system? Tomorrow is Martin Luther King day. His speeches will be played, and movies clips will be shown of him all day tomorrow on TV. His picture will be in the paper, he will be on big name websites. His face will be EVERYWHERE and his voice will be coming a long for a ride. Now here is the problem, you would consider the MLK speeches to be an important part of the history of the world, right? A step in the right direction? A story of a man that died for his idles and dream. It is something that will be talked about long after you and I are gone.

    However, every time an MLK recording is shown on TV, or played on the radio, or used in anyway the MLK family is supposed to get some pocket change. Now, I don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand I'm like well he's family, on the other I'm like screw you stop free loading off a dead man if you really respected his message you would play it for free, for everyone, as loud as you could.

    By the way, I don't come from a place where MLK is too well respected by some of the older folks, racism still runs pretty deep here in the older generations and don't think for a second both sides haven't managed to pass some of that down. But he represents a change in our culture, as least in this small portion of the world. It should be free for anyone to hear his words, the fact that we can do something like listen to someones voice in the 1960s is amazing and shouldn't be cooped up and profited from. If they had a means of recording a voice in the times of Jesus would we profit from that?

    Never mind...I forgot about Bible publishers...I used to do business with those guys and they are all business lemme tell you. Anyway /rant.
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  9. Cowboy

    Shawn Gossman Well-Known Member

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    I see this as I see sites like Trustee... They sell you a badge for a ton of money, they get paid and you get to add a badge on your website :p

    I have policies regarding DMCA. I wont allow copyright and trademark infringements on my websites and community but if I miss it, there is a method where people can contact me and report it. If they provide proof that can validate the accuracy of their report, then the content or media will be removed :) I think that is the best approach for a forum admin, at least until SOPA and PIPA passes ;)
  10. Irritated

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    I spoke with my gma...she told me back in the day TV was free and that she told my Mom that one day we'll be paying for it. Think about it, we pay $100+/month to sit in front of a TV and have billions and billions of dollars of commercials shoved down our faces. And we are ok with this? If we did that on our site, to our paying members, they would just leave us. Hell, wouldn't we all like a lil more money? But since we don't have the money to lobby, we can't do anything about the laws like some of these big folk can. I agree with your post...I've already paid that to show up on my DVR, who the hell cares if I download it? It's the same thing...DVR or download...same exact thing IMO. Hell...not to mention Comcast decides to give me their cheap DVR...I'm not even able to set HD recordings for series. Why...when I'm paying $130/month, do they not give me their quality DVR? One that can hold more than 10 shows on it? One that can records HD series?

    Screw these big corporations that are creating the laws that are screwing us in our arses.

    But hell...I guess that's a bit off topic now isn't it? OT: There's a new member here who has stolen my template, my graphic art I've created or bought, and threw up on of these DMCA protection things. Whenever I see these images on sites, I can't help but to think they are doing something wrong and don't want to have to deal with the repercussions. You'll know who I'm talking about when he starts ripping xF skins since he's trying to convert from his IPB to a nulled xF with the help of you guys...
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    Ha! Try and explain that to Janie Hendrix and see how far you get. Let us all remember this girl was adopted and was only in Jimi's presence twice in her entire life. Thrice, if we count the funeral. The Experience leaked money everywhere they went, but Janie has made sure to plug all the leaks. And then some. I saw estimates back after the turn of the century the estate was worth in excess of $80 million, so I suspect that number has increased by a considerable amount. And a guy like Noel Redding died with nothing?

    And for a young pup like you ;), yes, I've been Experienced. Mother's Day, 1969 at the Pepsi Coliseum in Indy. And if anyone suggests I have a bootleg recording of that concert in my possession, I'll deny it.

    TV is a bit of a joke. Yes, we used to watch TV over the airwaves. Pictures could be dicey at time, but if the weather was right, we could watch all three networks and even almost watch an independent station down in Indy. Today, the networks and the providers get together to make unholy alliances that cost us countless dollars. Brad, back in the early 80's, I bought programming for my C-Band system at the same prices as cable companies did. There were a total of 8 transponders providing HBO/Cinemax, at the time. I paid $96 a year to buy all of them. At that time, the local cable company was selling just HBO to customers for $12/month. Try to open a brink and mortar store and price your products with a 91.67% profit margin and let me know how long you manage to last. And take a look how all of the networks are migrating to so-called "reality" programs, which means they do not have to pay million dollar contracts to recognized prima donnas stars. Why pay a Charlie Sheen a king's ransom for a single program, when we can take our cameras into a prison and video tape criminals for next to nothing? And since I edge pretty close to the tin foil hat crowd, have you ever stopped to wonder why we have all the prison shows in the first place? Why are we glorifying criminals? How many videos of prison cells do we really need to see each week?
  12. Whistles

    Evil Grin A legend in his own mind

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    I used to buy music CDs then one day I saw MTV Cribs.
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    I'll just say this: people accustomed to sitting on their ass all day doing nothing tend to want to stay that way.

    Respect, must have been a really good show. I've always felt I was born too late......I missed the 60s ><. I did get "turned on" around age 16 though, thanks to meeting some older folks. I mean, I always liked the music of that era, but I didn't understand it until around the age of 16 and I'm sure you know what I'm driving at. :p

    TV is a joke, especially the commercials. Some shows, I swear I would be interested in them if they didn't run commercials every 5 minutes. Just look at the numbers, you're only getting 42 minutes of show per an hour of television watching, and that's on a channel that hasn't gone completely to hell (MTV) and for a show with a designed running time of "an hour". I have to "watch" 2-4 shows concurrently to even deal with TV...I'll have one main show I'm watching and check in on the other ones when commercials start on the main show. I've gotten so good that I can time it without a clock xD

    On a personal note: Do you miss c-band? I know I do! Just something about that big ugly dish and the ability to see it move with the press of a button always got to me. I love switching between the different birds and finding those odd channels...or the programming feeds! God it was so awesome to watch a football game, with no commercials, and hear/see what was going on while everyone else was watching commercials :p. I didn't know it at the time, but we gave it up when they went all digital/encrypted, either because it started costing too much or no one could break the encryption (or only break it partially, like you could get audio but no video).

    We didn't even have the option for cable or OTA TV in the home I grew up in. We lived in a bottom, surrounded by hills and pine forest.

    Well, they do get paid to keep people locked up in there, I forget how much but its like $200-$400 a month per prisoner per jail cell. I'm sure it varies depending on the state and what kinds of prisoners you're keeping in there. They also make money off the work they do and the good they produce.

    As far as why you see crime, well, it's glorified. A lot of young people are in a position where they can't find work, can't afford school, can't get a loan. They're going to go out and do something to feed themselves at some point. Selling drugs or stealing copper/metal are two things I see people doing all of the time to make it by. Some of those young guys are actually really business savvy, and since there is always a demand for drugs....well money to be made. I've never in my life seen the black market for drugs slow down, not a damn bit. They might come around a put a dent in it and shut an area down where that sort of thing was going on, but two weeks later, new guys move in set up shop and its business as usual.

    Since I also have a bit of a tin-foil hat ^^: I think they glorify it for a few reasons;

    1: People that fly straight, they see those guys in prison, those drug dealers, and even the reality TV "stars" you mentioned as the "freaks" of our time. Instead of a seeing freak shows of the olden days we watch TV so they put some guy you'd never let your daughter within 1000 yards of on there so you can be exposed to it and think; "What an idiot/horrible man/insert whatever you want here".

    2: For another group of consumers, a lot of these guys are people they look up to. Say I'm a kid selling <insert drug here> and I see some guy that's a "king pin" on "Drugs Inc." talking about how he controls the flow of cocaine into the city of LA. I automatically want to be that guy. To me he represents the top of the trade, and on top of that, unlike me he doesn't have to worry much about the police showing up to hand him 25-50 years for what I currently have in my pocket, nor does he have to worry about someone in the same trade as me sneaking up on me and blowing my brains out for whats in my pocket (well, at least not is often). Point begin, that guy on TV is pretty much above the law as long as he follows the rules and pays off the right people, I can't do those things. I know someone is going to read this and think; "why not go to school or find a job?". You go tell that to a random drug dealer that's supporting a family and see what he says. He'll tell you this: I got mouths to feed, I have bills to pay, and this trade I'm in while illegal pays a lot more than some minimum wage job. As for school; pay my way through and support my family for 2 years.

    I'm just saying, there are a lot of people out there that see no way other than some illegal money on the side to make it through a month. I know a lot of guys that supported themselves by hustling in pool halls, selling drugs, and doing other stupid things until they either grew up and got a real job, died, or they're still doing those stupid thing to this day. With the way the job market is now we're going to have to be really careful that we manage the problem of the kids coming up. If they can't find jobs they WILL turn to a black market or something shady to make it by, even more so if they have kids to support. Those people lead very stressful lives and don't tend to live as long as someone more well off. I don't envy them one bit.

    We're way off topic now, but I wanted to give you a proper reply; On topic:

    SOPA died in the house today and will not be passed, but we have another bill (PIPA) to worry about so keep an eye out for news related to that.
  14. Whistles

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    You're lucky. Sky TV have the commercials synched so that all channels have ad breaks at the same time to within a couple of seconds. There's little point in channel hopping when you just escape one lot of ads and encounter another ad break on the other channel.
  15. Angelic

    Azhria Lilu Barry & Brad Bodyswapping?

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    Yeah *sigh* I hate that! Especially when a programme has ended and you're just flicking to find something else to watch.
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    I'm not sure what prices are like on Sky, but we 'Muricans don't pay television licensing fees. The difference could easily be made up in what we pay for satellite or cable service, I don't know. But the concept of having to pay a tax for the privilege of owning a television borders on insanity. And for those here in the States, understand you do get a tax break on a B&W set. :rolleyes:

    Brad, when the restrictions started on C and Ku bands, I could no longer see the sense in owning the BUD. Yeah, when you could grab feeds coming out of the stadiums, I was usually watching an NFC game on one set and an AFC game on another. Watching feeds from race tracks was always good, too. I loved using the Anik birds to watch Hockey Night in Canada, on Saturday nights. Hockey and football are why I bought the system in the first place. After the encryption started, I was over it. I had a cracked receiver that would allow me to see encrypted video signals with no audio, but I quickly grew bored with it.

    It has always chapped my backside we can tune radios to listen to available stations, but we can't tune our televisions to do the same. Now I can understand that on a premium service like HBO, but USA runs commercial after commercial, and I cannot watch it free. I always looked at the closed market rules and wondered why I can buy the LA Times on my local newstand, but for years was prevented from watching network TV on my digital dish. They sell advertising and then turn around and sell us the signal? But the magazine publishing industry is another scam. The publishers are getting fat selling advertising, but they turn around and sell us the magazine and make money there, as well. Ever wonder what a news stand or book store does with unsold magazines? They tear the covers off and return them for credit, while the rest of the magazine goes in the bin. My ex worked in a book store for a few years and I would end up with boxes of cover-less magazines each month.
  17. Angelic

    Azhria Lilu Barry & Brad Bodyswapping?

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    The basic package for Sky is around £40 a month... but, and this is the annoying bit - we still have to pay for a TV licence on top of that (because of the BBC) which is around £150 a year.... We rarely watch terrestrial tv (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, Channel 4 or Channel 5) and watch mainly the channels offered by Sky. We have the full package for sky which includes the basic channels, music, movies and sport - so we pay around £74 a month for that. Don't mind paying for Sky, do mind paying for the BBC!
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    As of today's rate or exchange, that £74 a month comes to $113.69. I don't pay that much for my satellite service, but I don't bother with the premium movie channels, either. And we do not have TV licenses, although that's likely because a numpty like Lamar Smith has yet to hear about it. ;)
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    I worked in the newspaper industry for a while and I can tell you that the price you pay for a newspaper comes nowhere close to the cost of publishing it. The ads make up the difference and without them there would be no money in it at all for the publisher. In fact the publisher isn't getting paid twice for his publication at all, one of the payments is subsidising the artificially low purchase price. The same model applies to magazines. As for large quantities of publications being scrapped, that is why the ABC (Audit Bureau of Circulation) figures are so important. Advertisers are very aware of the difference between production and readership. Multiple readers of the same publication are also factored into the readership equation. I can only guess that TV advertising works out much the same given the astronomical, no pun intended, cost of building and launching satellites.
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    Mike54 Supporting Members

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    A friend of mine started a very small publication, addressing drag race reports from tracks in a 3 state area. Within a year, he was offering articles and other content. Within 5 years , he had admitted to me that shipping the magazine to distributors was the downside, because he had already made the lion's share of the profit. Sales amounted to <25% of the revenue the publication generated. And I'm talking about a publication that likely was never more than 50 pages. He ended up selling it, to watch it get absorbed into another regional publication That was some 10 - 12 years ago. He retired on the proceeds from the sale. He initially set our shop up to receive 10 copies a month, with payment due only on copies sold. We would often only sell 2 - 3 copies, but he admitted that was about what most shops like ours were selling. After the first 4 or 5 years, he stopped bothering to invoice us at all.

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